tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post2278776579108495194..comments2024-02-19T23:42:15.797-05:00Comments on Dr. K's 100-Page Super Spectacular: Final Crisis Post Mortem, Part 3Dr. Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08792907846193017204noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-47795333451655317272009-02-16T22:37:00.000-05:002009-02-16T22:37:00.000-05:00Alicia, I really like your take on why the Zoo Cre...Alicia, I really like your take on why the Zoo Crew is in Final Crisis, and this is exactly the kind of thing that Final Crisis invites the reader to do.<BR/><BR/>I wish DC would put out that Captain Carrot Showcase book that's been promised for a while.Dr. Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08792907846193017204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-40229241467019706672009-02-15T19:11:00.000-05:002009-02-15T19:11:00.000-05:00Also discovering your blog now, Dr. K, and I'm rea...Also discovering your blog now, Dr. K, and I'm really enjoying what I've read. <BR/><BR/>So, my take on the Zoo Crew's inclusion is that it was necessary to complete the army of 52 Variant Supermen who are implied to be the new form of the Infinity Man (as least the way I read the scene) later on in the book by Nix Uotan. <BR/><BR/>Captain Carrot is not only a Superman analogue but one who got his powers directly from interaction with the pre-Crisis Superman of Earth-1, but is "solar-powered" in the same way all the other variant Supermen are. Where their bodies absorb sunlight indirectly, the good Captain is created in a flash of light when his alter-ego eats one of the special carrots he grows on his windowsill. <BR/><BR/>Now, Morrison doesn't spell out any of this regarding Captain Carrot, so if you don't already care about the character, its possible significance is entirely lost. It just feels like he randomly decided to stop FC #7 to deal with a dangling plot thread from a miniseries that sold 15,000 copies per issue at best.<BR/><BR/>The way it came off to me, who treasured Captain Carrot comics found in quarter boxes as a kid, was Morrison wanting to definitely acknowledge for the first time that the Zoo Crew are absolutely part of the DC Universe. Remember that editorial chose to leave them entirely out of the original Crisis, instead retconning Earth-C into an "alternate dimension" in a way that made no real sense, and post-Crisis materials rationalized the characters as the stars of a popular DCU Saturday morning cartoon. <BR/><BR/>By including the Zoo Crew in Final Crisis, Morrison instead chose to say that those stories-- originally intended as part of the multiverse-- matter just as much as anything else DC's published in a metafictional sense. Zoo Crew comics were often too absurd and bad for previous editorial regimes to acknowledge, so this struck me as fairly important to conveying the full meaning of what the stand against Mandrakk meant in a thematic sense. <BR/><BR/>Of course, I could also just be overthinking the two pages of FC7 that happen to star a cartoon rabbit I rather used to like as a kid.Lynxarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06522492000085311952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-27539976449529845542009-02-10T16:47:00.000-05:002009-02-10T16:47:00.000-05:00I like the gathering Morrison has set up here--ang...<I>I like the gathering Morrison has set up here--angels, Supermen from all the parallel universes, the Green Lantern Corps, the Super Young Team, and the Zoo Crew--but I agree with Singer that nothing much happens as a result of it.</I><BR/><BR/>The fact that we don't see them "do" anything is beside the point, IMO. It's all about the imagination and storytelling at this point: "If it don't exist, think it up. Then make it real."<BR/><BR/>A crabbed, unimaginative, vampiric figure like Mandrakk might succeed against the likes of, oh, Youngblood. But against a universe that could create not only a Green Lantern Corps and a Checkmate... but also <I>Yankee Frickin' Poodle</I>?<BR/><BR/>That's the point you realize Mandrakk doesn't have a chance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-50113977634531630102009-02-06T15:32:00.000-05:002009-02-06T15:32:00.000-05:00Your analysis of Final Crisis (and the hatestorm o...Your analysis of Final Crisis (and the hatestorm of criticism it inspired) has been like a tube of chapstick on my weathered lips.<BR/><BR/>Curiously, my favorite single issue of the entire series (+ tie-ins) was the Sketchbook. There was just something about those brief descriptions of the Super Young Team and Big Science Action that fueled my imagination and got me really excited about the possibilities of comics again.<BR/><BR/>If Morrison's mission was to remind us that anything is possible in this medium, he succeeded (with me) from the outset.Mike V. Scholtzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14868904229196582679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-26600331626794301462009-02-06T12:29:00.000-05:002009-02-06T12:29:00.000-05:00Having labelled Final Crisis "gibberish" Steve Gra...Having labelled Final Crisis "gibberish" Steve Grant was certainly provided a lot of food for thought from the series. Enough to fill a good portion of his column. As always he was extremely thoughtful , but calling the series "gibberish" off the top seemed rather flippant.Shamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02425340105986634717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-69462363119777020272009-02-06T11:56:00.000-05:002009-02-06T11:56:00.000-05:00Trey--I agree with you completely about Super Youn...Trey--I agree with you completely about Super Young Team. I would love it if Morrison wrote an ongoing with them, exploring all the conventions of teen superhero comics. But I'll be surprised if that happens.<BR/><BR/>I also agree with you on the other stuff, too. Green Arrow's line in issue 3 about the superhero draft is just about the purest example of Green Arrow dialogue ever.Dr. Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08792907846193017204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-45149796656626666092009-02-06T07:29:00.000-05:002009-02-06T07:29:00.000-05:00I'm enjoying the series of posts, though I'd have ...I'm enjoying the series of posts, though I'd have to disagree about Pacheco drawing the whole thing. I found his pages to be competent but boring, generic superhero stuff for a project that was anything but. I can't see him bringing the atmosphere and dread to scenes like Dan Turpin's ordeal, as a sweating, rotting Reverend Goode leers and gloats over him.<BR/><BR/>One thing I'd be interested to see you tackle, as you seem to want to engage the series' detractors, is the question of 'transitions'. Some people seemed to be enormously upset by the lack of transitions between scenes, making the work 'disjointed' in their eyes. This is the only criticism of Final Crisis I genuinely don't understand; one scene finishes, another starts, that's the way it's done in movies and TV and no one complains about that, do they? While Alan Moore-style pun-links between disparate plot strands can work (and in fact, are one of the things that comics can do and other media can't) I can't see how they'd be mandatory. Unless I'm misunderstanding the complaint somehow?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-60819739661987749002009-02-06T03:22:00.000-05:002009-02-06T03:22:00.000-05:00Dr. K, just discovered your blog.What do you think...Dr. K, just discovered your blog.<BR/><BR/>What do you think of the Super Young Team? I think those scenes are extremely important. Morrison condenses all teen superhero comics into a few panels. <BR/><BR/>He did this with numerous other heroes. Everything you need to know about Hawkman/Hawkgirl, Aquaman, and GA/BC, all in a few panels. In some cases one panel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-434879494642797092.post-35658986880358157922009-02-06T01:49:00.000-05:002009-02-06T01:49:00.000-05:00I honestly hope I wasn't the only one happy to see...I honestly hope I wasn't the only one happy to see the Zoo Crew team up with Superman again. They fought Starro and Gorilla Grodd, after all.Intruder_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08322242036586961094noreply@blogger.com